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Flix Keptick
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:14:00 -
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By purpose I mean damage wp. For every 2000 damage dealt to a vehicle, award 25 wp to the infantry (or something like that). That way, infantry will actually be rewarded for pushing a tank back, not only for destroying it.
This would go a long way to fix av. And actually give AVers a sence of accomplishment. Reward people for actually scarring tanks away, instead of just destroying them. This would also be making av a viable and actual role on the battlefield and not just a thing between between slaying just to kill a pesky tank.
Just like a logi is rewarded for repping make swarmers rewarded for swarming. As for the ******* people that will find a way to exploit it, LET THEM BE. It's not like they're accomplishing much anyways. Don't penalize an entire community for something only a handfull are doing.
Ps: make it so only AV infantey gets damage WP. Tanks getting wp for that would be really abusive.
"HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete."
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Flix Keptick
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Posted - 2013.12.13 06:38:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I wouldn't mind, but as long as the WP can only be generated by weapons classified as AV. Weapons Such As:
- Swarm Launchers
- Forge Guns
- Plasma Cannons
- Remote Explosives
- Proximity Explosives
- AV Grenades
- Flux Grenades (If you question this then I will simply ask "Bro, do you even Anti-Gunnlogi?")
It would also be "abusive" if WP damage was awarded by Warbarge Strikes, and explosive weapons such as Mass Drivers. And if your rewarding points at 2000HP of damage, then increase the WP gain to +75. And make it 2000HP of RAW DAMAGE. (Meaning that the use of hardners would not delay the WP gain. As I can easily see people running around with 2-3 hardners to prevent infantry from gaining WP.) Along with that, reduce the team quota for vehicles.
That's what I meant, only av weapons give wp. As for damage yea, I also meant 2k EHP damage.
Seriously, this would pretty much solve the AV/V problem. AV wouldn't need to destroy the tank only to get lol150wp. They would actually be rewarded for actively pushing the tank back. With the extra bonus WP for destroying it.
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Flix Keptick
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Posted - 2013.12.13 14:35:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Cosgar wrote:Yeah, they need to bring back WP for damaging tanks. Why did they remove it in the first place?
I think it's because some ******* exploiting mother******* were abusing the mechanic. But CCP being who they are decided to remove it for everyone instead of fixing it
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:39:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Which reminds me.
Please don't make the MCC count as a vehicle.
I could see sooo many ways people would abuse this that it isn't even funny.
I'm pretty sure that's how people were abusing in the first place
Ps: Vehicle and AV having a rational discussion and agreeing on points!!! I think we have a first.
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Posted - 2013.12.13 19:22:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Good news. This idea has finally been confirmed here.CCP Remnant wrote:We had damage-based WP many moons ago but they were removed because of WP farming. Now, however, we have a global limiter that prevents mass-WP farming so it's definitely something I'd like to add back. If it's not possible to hot-fix in I'll poke the guys about getting in for 1.8. I think it's fair enough that you get rewarded for chasing off vehicles if not being able to outright destroy them.
That said, we hot-fixed the militia fuel injector last night. And right now we're testing increased recharge times on fuel injectors and slightly reduced speed on HAVs. Can't wait to see it's implementation. Let's see what else we can come up with when we aren't ripping at eachother's throats.
I know right, I can't wait either. Cause it will also mean that destroying a vehicle is not the only thing viable. AV/V debate = mostly solved.
I want tanks to be fun, but I want AV to be fun too.
if tanks are too hard to kill: fun for tanks, **** for AV
if tanks are too easy to kill: **** for tanks, fun for AV
if av gets wp for damaging vehicles: fun for tanks AND fun for AV
It's a win-win situation 
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Posted - 2013.12.13 21:23:00 -
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Atiim wrote:This ^^^
And in less than 48hrs we've managed to get something implemented without arguing and being little kids, yet in 6 months of arguing and being little COD b!tches we accomplished nothing.
Put something about this in General Discussion. Lets see if others follow this example.
Done.
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Posted - 2013.12.13 21:45:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:Message from Godin:So do as I've been saying instead of," BUFF AV RAWR RAWR! NERF HAV'S TO **** AGAIN RAWR RAWR!"? Okay. Shield hardeners are still OP due to being able to perma run them on Gunnlogi's though. That'll need looking at next.
Are you using 3? I find that high alpha damage will kill you when using that, meaning that you have to be waaaay more carefull
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Posted - 2013.12.13 22:05:00 -
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Artificer Ghost wrote:Also, by the way, before all the feral pro-AV users come in here and take away our civilized conversation, I'd like to point out that earlier in the thread, someone said the Plasma Cannon is an AV weapon? In the description, it actually says its Anti-Infantry, which is why it does so little VS. vehicles.
Really  ... Then CCP failed even more at creating a useable weapon  .
It still packs quite a punch when used vs shield tanks, only problem is that it travels sooooooooooo slowly and arches while doing so
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Flix Keptick
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Posted - 2013.12.13 22:08:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Artificer Ghost wrote:Also, by the way, before all the feral pro-AV users come in here and take away our civilized conversation, I'd like to point out that earlier in the thread, someone said the Plasma Cannon is an AV weapon? In the description, it actually says its Anti-Infantry, which is why it does so little VS. vehicles. Please Don't
lol, he could have also written
Also, by the way, before all the feral pro-TANK users come in here and take away our civilized conversation
Honestly, either one is just as bad
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:15:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:By purpose I mean damage wp. For every 2000 damage dealt to a vehicle, award 25 wp to the infantry (or something like that). That way, infantry will actually be rewarded for pushing a tank back, not only for destroying it.
This would go a long way to fix av. And actually give AVers a sence of accomplishment. Reward people for actually scarring tanks away, instead of just destroying them. This would also be making av a viable and actual role on the battlefield and not just a thing between between slaying just to kill a pesky tank.
Just like a logi is rewarded for repping make swarmers rewarded for swarming. As for the ******* people that will find a way to exploit it, LET THEM BE. It's not like they're accomplishing much anyways. Don't penalize an entire community for something only a handfull are doing.
Ps: make it so only AV infantry gets damage WP. Tanks getting wp for that would be really abusive. really thats not the issue. the problem is you cant get close to enemy tanks to use swarms in their current state. your likely to be 1 shot after your first volley and before you do 2000 damage with swarms imparticular. you cant defend yourself against any light weapons because your only on sidearm that is if you can fit one and you don't stand a chance in the open which is were you need to be when using swarms because of the lock on. 25wp for losing a 150k isk av setup is not going to bring back most of the old av users.and using cheap gear is counter productive because your now not only weak against other infantry but now your even weaker against tanks and doing less damage so not earning that 25wp. soooo, you don't want additional wp?
Ps: USE COVER AND DON'T RUN IN THE OPEN LIKE A HEADLESS CHIKEN!!!! But that's an other dicscussion
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:16:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:Atiim wrote:Which reminds me.
Please don't make the MCC count as a vehicle.
I could see sooo many ways people would abuse this that it isn't even funny. I'm pretty sure that's how people were abusing in the first place Ps: Vehicle and AV having a rational discussion and agreeing on points!!! I think we have a first. Heheheh, I remember when we could shoot down the MCC independent of the null
Still can, just aim at the missile turret under it and check the efficiency rating . Shooting it actually does damage too
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